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***Run the Jewels are raw and so is the language in this episode***
Killer Mike and El-P return to Broken Record to discuss the creation of their fourth album, RTJ4, and the tumultuous world it was released into. Rick Rubin, who was present during some of the album’s recording sessions at Shangri La, digs into the record’s production and themes with the duo, calling the message and tone of the album “almost prophetic.” They also discuss working with Pharrell and Zack de la Rocha and why they had to make a major change to a song after the album was already mastered.

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