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For nearly a decade, Khalil and Ben have vacationed together at the magical beach town of Oak Bluffs, MA — a historically Black enclave of predominantly-White Martha’s Vineyard. In this episode, Ben and Khalil reflect on the summers they’ve spent there, the transformative beauty of that corner of the world, and the legacy of race and power at the beach.

The Hosts

Khalil Gibran Muhammad

Khalil Gibran Muhammad is one of the nation’s leading experts on the history and present of race and racism, having led the oldest Black archive and teaching at Harvard’s leading policy school.…

Ben Austen

Ben Austen is a journalist and the author of High-Risers: Cabrini-Green and the Fate of American Public Housing, which was longlisted for the Andrew Carnegie Medal of Excellence in Nonfiction and named…