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Friendships like Ben and Khalil’s are rare in America, according to the numbers. In this episode, they talk about the social science on interracial friendships, and about the particular conditions that made their friendship possible. Plus, why these friendships are important in bridging our deeply divided country.

The Hosts

Khalil Gibran Muhammad

Khalil Gibran Muhammad is one of the nation’s leading experts on the history and present of race and racism, having led the oldest Black archive and teaching at Harvard’s leading policy school.…

Ben Austen

Ben Austen is a journalist and the author of High-Risers: Cabrini-Green and the Fate of American Public Housing, which was longlisted for the Andrew Carnegie Medal of Excellence in Nonfiction and named…